Alexians come back to those damn connected switches so problematic in France. In a previous test, we presented you with a Zemi built-in connected switchsmart operating without neutral. One of the few available in France. The advantages of this type of product are however clear: managing a chandelier of 3 or 5 bulbs is not always easy, certain forms of bulbs are not easily found in connected, just like certain unavailable powers, lamps in series can also be problematic ...
We come back with something new in our bag, including a switch from the same brand with two advantages over the previous test: it works in ZigBee (it won't overload your Wi-Fi, but you need a Hub) and it does not require the installation of a capacitor. This switch is available in single, double and triple ways. Sold between € 19,78 and € 22,18 depending on the number of routes, except promotion, it's a whole new product tested exclusively by Les Alexiens !
ZigBee switch without neutral: a superb design
Our switch is packed in a neutral white cardboard without any specific identification, as the brand is used to. Inside, it remains well protected. We find there thelight switch, for an installation guide in english and two screws. The guide is quite detailed and explains the installation of a bridge (see also this ZigBee Tuya hub test / Smart Life for the procedure) and that of the switch. Indeed, as stated above, ZigBee products require the use of a dedicated gateway. THE'Echo Show 2 or the Plus also have a hub, but compatibility is not systematic between all ZigBee products.
Design level, it's really a very nice surprise. The Alexians
Design level, it's really a very nice surprise. We are on a switch that is out of the ordinary with its aluminum frame, rounded at the corners. The facade is in 8,6cm side tempered glass, with a white background, and has between one and three pressure zones depending on the number of channels. The depth is 3,4 cm including 1 cm front. It is quite sober and elegant, we like it a lot!
As with most connected switches, the "buttons" are used both to turn the light on and off by pressing a pallet of conductive material. We are not on springs, to avoid inadvertent ignition. The mechanical part is therefore limited to the maximum for avoid premature aging of elements, but electronic problems can take over. No system is perfect. For those who know, we are on a system identical to that of roller shutters with the difference that there is one "button" per channel. In our case, it is a double track that has been tested, but with a single installation in series.
It is quite sober and elegant, we like it a lot! The Alexians
The depth of the transplanting block isabout 2,5 cm (therefore depth suitable for French boxes), but as you can see, the transplanting block is square in shape with a side of about 5,5 cm. This can be problematic, even prohibitive in some cases, because there is only a small enough passage left to insert the switch into the flush-mounting box. This is THE problem with this product.
For the rest, nothing more standard: as no neutral, only phase arrivals are available. The transplanting blocks have a depth of 5 mm, which makes it possible not to strip the wires too much and to hold the cable well. No complaints.
At the level of technical characteristics : it works on alternating current 100-240V, 50 60-Hz and nominal power from 10 to 200 W. Her consumption as such is 0,3 W max. Avoid locations over 90% RH. Regarding the Wi-Fi connection: 2.4 GHz only, IEEE802.11b / g / n.
ZigBee switch without neutral: an extremely simple installation!
The installation is no problem, really no, but respect a minimum of safety rules: cut the power or take a good life insurance. The Alexians
The installation is no problem, really no, but respect a minimum of safety rules: cut the power or take a good life insurance. The diagram to follow is really very simple because it plugs in like a standard switch. Connect the phase of your circuit to L et the return phase of your lamp on L1. That's all. If you have a double switch, the connection will be a little different (L, L1 for the first and L2 for the second) ...
Be careful, there is a caveat that the switch does not support fluorescent lamps. In our case, we installed it on a circuit with one LED and two halogens, without any problem. Avoid CFLs, but for once, the best is to try (changing a bulb is not bad, if your light allows it). You will notice that unlike our first switch test without neutral, there is no need for a capacitor, and therefore no manipulation to be done on your luminaire or its arrival.
In ten minutes, it's folded. If all is well done, the switch has a slight self-lighting in blue color. In fact, the “off” channel will be lit and will turn colorless when the light is on. It is a good system for locating the switch in the dark and in principle, with the light on, there is no need to locate it. If, on the other hand, you don't have a light when you turn on the power again, there was a problem with the wiring, a loose terminal or you blew everything up. If and only if everything works well (you can press the pressure areas without the faceplate to test but be careful not to touch the circuit, it stings a bit), you can tighten everything and put the cover in place.
ZigBee switch without neutral: use via Smart Life and a Hub
To use the switch, you need a ZigBee Tuya bridge. We used that of the brand Zemismart, which you will find here how to get started. To install the switch, it's very simple. First of all, press one of the "buttons" for a few seconds to enter pairing mode. It will blink. Then in Smart life, go to the pictogram your Hub, on the first page, and press "Add a sub-element". The app will take care of the rest, and that very quickly as you can see on the video, it cut my whistle.
Once installed, you will see that your switch will display 1, 2 or 3 virtual buttons that will have to be renamed in the application. You can also give the switch a general name if you want to turn everything off and on at once. Thanks to the app, you can set up timers for the switch or have it come on at certain times. You also have the possibility, via the scenarios, to turn it on or off at particular times of the day (sunset for example) or in specific situations (closing the shutters and switching on the light in the process). With Alexa, you are free to let yourself be tempted by a routine which is going well.
The very good surprise is that with the bridge, our switch goes up directly under Alexa and is controllable by voice without having to do scenarios and routines as is sometimes the case with unrecognized ZigBee elements. We refer you to the video to see in practice the installation and control of this product.
In use, there is no problem. It's extremely responsive thanks to the ZigBee. It's truly pleasent. In physics (useful if you don't want to talk or there's a network outage), it's instantaneous. It is ultimately a device that functions as a mechanical switch and, by network, with a very low latency.
Hi
Does this work with a HUE Bridge?
Cyril
Hi
Is it possible to pair it with a conbee 2 key?
Thank you
Hello,
No idea, sorry, but if you can manage to use other Tuya devices with it, there is no reason ...
Good weekend
Hi
Very good article thank you
Do you know the reference of the capacitor?
Thank you
Hello,
There is no capacitor for this reference.
Hello,
Does it work on a back and forth pattern?
Pk,
AlexaNDRE
Hi,
For a back and forth, it is better to turn to the solution in the wire of the same brand. In this case, the switches work like remote controls and are particularly suitable for this use.
Our test is here: https://www.lesalexiens.com/labo-test-alexa/test-interrupteur-zigbee-sans-fil-zemismart-sans-neutre/
Bonne fin de journée
Hello,
This switch really interests me however I have several back and forths at my house.
Is it possible to wire these switches for a back and forth?
Could you explain to me how?
Thank you for your site, it is particularly informative!
Hello,
Thanks to you I started to equip my home.
A small Zigbee bridge for less than 20 euros and Zemi switchessmart as well as the wireless "switches" form a perfect combination with ALEXA to the delight of my children!
The only difficulty is the rear shape of the switches. To fit squares into circles… Not easy.
I found a solution by purchasing inexpensive recess boxes that I "re-cut" with a file.
However the solution does not suit me perfectly, a little too DIY.
I see on the photos that you manage to fix the switches in your boxes.
Could you give me the model?
Thanks again!!
Hello,
For once, these are completely standard recessed boxes ... But I have to force a little to put it ...
Good evening, have more info on the possibility of using it with a Conbee 2 (Jeedom).
Just tried, almost got it, but no button to exclude it and start over.
thank you in advance
Hello,
Can this switch function as a replacement for a push-button type switch back and forth on a remote switch.
Thank you
Hello, are these switches compatible with the Zigate universal gateway?
Hello,
We have not tested them with Zigate, but when it comes to ZigBee Tuya, a priori yes.
Have a good day
Hello,
I did not quite understand your answer.
Indeed, I installed one instead of a switch back and forth with the phase on L and the wire of the lamp on L1: works very well.
On the other hand, I would also like to install it in a large room which has 2 back and forth and in a large hallway which has 2 push buttons.
How to do ? Because there are a lot of wires to be wired in this case ... And can we keep a back and forth on both and a pusher on both?
Goods.
Hi,
Thank you for the test, on the other hand it seems that the links are not correct because they do not point to the model you are presenting. In addition, if I have followed correctly, the models without transplanting block would allow to control connected lighting type hue bulb with the hue bridge and alexa, the models with transplanting block as here, would make it possible to control unconnected lighting.
I have good?
Thank you very much for the clarifications
Hello,
The links are good, but Zemismart It now offers its entire ZigBee system and seems to no longer have the model with transplanting block. It is also absent from their Zemi sitesmart.com. 🙁 Too bad because, indeed, it allowed the piloting of unconnected bulbs. Nevertheless, they seem to have other equivalent models.
Please note, the wireless model requires the Tuya bridge and only works with Tuya bulbs / Smart Life, impossible to control Hue. For this ecosystem, we must turn to the brand's dimmers such as the new smart button Philips Hue or the Friends of Hue such as the Nodon switch.
Have a good weekend 🙂
Hello,
I actually have quite a bit of lighting with GU10 base bulbs, or HUE lighting. The problem is that rooms with Hue lights have conventional switches which therefore cut off the power to the lights. In itself, it does not matter if it is only if you control the switching on of the lighting with Alexa and if the lamp has been physically extinguished, it's annoying. I would like to find a switch that can control the switching on or off of a lamp and that this is also possible with alexa. Basically I would like to avoid having to cut the power to the lighting.
For parts with GU10 lighting, I can take the switches with the transplanting block (they are still on sale), but for the other parts?
Also, models with the transplanting unit cannot control Hue lighting on on / off mode?
Thanks for your feedback
I have the same problem… So I bypassed certain switches or placed Hue or Friends of Hue models. They are expensive, that's the worry, but it's the only simple solution.
A block switch will cut off the power and therefore disconnect the Hue bulb, preventing you from turning it on by voice afterwards unless you use a switch command. We can imagine doing a routine that will chain actions, but it will include pauses while the bulb reconnects to the bridge. This is very fast, but it will necessarily increase the order execution time.
Unfortunately, unless you go through a Home Assistant type home automation box, it is still impossible to do this via Alexa in ZigBee because the protocol is not really unified for the time being.
Hello,
Having had no response, I decided to order it and test it. it works !
My installation is as follows:
3 lamps and 3 pushbutton type switches all interconnected to light a staircase via a remote switch.
I simply changed one of the push switches with this switch and now I can control the lights as before from the 3 switches (2 old and the new) as before but in addition to voice with Alexa.
Hello Segond,
I was wondering exactly the same question because I have a lane with 2 push buttons and I wanted to change only one and leave the second. I tried but I was lost in the cables…. How did you make the connections?
Subsidiary question, I have a lighting in the staircase controlled by 2 back and forth and I would like to change 1 switch and leave the second old one, but I am lost in the wiring ...
Thank you in advance for your help.
Chrys
Hello,
In fact I had 4 wires which arrived on the original switch connected 2 by 2.
I reconnected exactly the same way to the wifi switch without asking myself any questions ...
As there are only 2 connection terminals, no error is possible.
Hello, is there the same thing but in a flush-mounted box behind the already existing switch? (I would like to keep the switches already in place.
Hello, the answer also interests me.
Hello,
Sorry, your message escaped us ... Perhaps you have found an answer in our columns, otherwise yes, the equivalent to embed does exist: https://www.lesalexiens.com/labo-test-alexa/test-zemismart-interrupteur-zigbee-sans-neutre/
Have a good day
Hello,
Unfortunately no, the Hue and Smart Life are not compatible.
Have a good day
Hello,
Thank you for your answer, but in this link I am not in any way broken down box embedded behind my switch in order to control a Zeegee
Sorry, I didn't understand… You should consider a ZigBee switch in this case, like this one for example. On the other hand, it is bulky, unfortunately. https://www.lesalexiens.com/labo-test-alexa/interrupteurs-connectes/test-interrupteur-switch-zemismart-lxzb-02a-le-switch-zigbee-dimmable-poids-lourd/
Hello
Thank you for your return.
I'm in the same situation as you: 3 push switches, 3 lights on the stairs, a remote switch on the switchboard. On the other hand, when I remain pressed on one of my pushbuttons, the remote switch coil remains "triggered" which does not give me confidence to replace it with this switch.
On the other hand you speak of 4 sons, I only have two (phase and….)
Do you have more details to give please? Thank you
Hello and thank you for your return
I am in exactly the same situation as you (3 inter which control 3 lamps via a remote switch).
I only have 2 sons unlike you who have 4 (why 4 by the way?)
What scares me is that when I keep the push button pressed, the remote switch coil stays engaged (and therefore the latter takes a hit). I will still do a quick test with a Zemismart that I already have!
Well, this Zemi switchsmart cannot replace a push button which controls a remote control switch. I just did the test and as I expected, you have to press the button twice in a row otherwise the remote switch coil (on the garage board) takes a hit: - /
The solution would be to replace the remote switch but I have to find zigbee (or WiFi at worst) that fits in a rail and Tuya / compatibleSmartlife.
Then it will be Tuya who will take care of ordering everything
It's not very surprising, but thank you for your feedback. 🙂
I plan to buy this to replace the remote switch. it will work with the switches shown and a Tuya scenario.
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_dVq8rga
A priori, yes, but we have never tested a solution connected to a remote control switch. Do not hesitate to give us a feedback. 🙂
Hello Denis,
Thank you for your test with a push button. I wanted to do the same thing but I see that it is not possible… Too bad.
On the other hand, I would like to follow and understand the module that you found to replace the remote switch. Does he put himself in the garage table?
Goods.
Chrys
Here is a very quick before / after diagram of what I'm going to do. Then it is the wireless intercom that will control the switch in Tuya. The remote switch will be set aside just in case.
Attention, this system can only work with home automation (if no internet, it does not work, hence the interest of putting the remote control switch aside if necessary, but the switches will have to be put back in place 🙂)
https://ibb.co/DzPfmfY
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Thank you. Is it possible to leave a push button also to control at the other end of the room?
It's a bit complicated and I don't see myself getting involved in it… ..
So no, you have to replace your X push buttons with X wireless switches.
Then, it's very simple, in the app SmartLife (to see if possible from Alexa, I have a Google Assistant at home), you have to configure the X switches by saying that when you press the button (simple short press), it makes an On / Off on the switch that replaced your toggle switch
OK, thanks
Hi
Having seen the "ad" for these amazing switches on this site, I ordered one. Tutnà did what I expected!
I connected it in "test", flawless. I unplug it to connect it to its location, it flashes slowly in red without ever going OK. HS switch. A week of discussion with Zemismart and video in support, they send me another.
I plug the new one directly into its location. Impeccable. A week later, that is to say last night, a power cut of 10 minutes. This morning the switch was flashing red like the first.
Refund procedure made with AliExpress. Too bad, it was really the switch I expected ... if it had worked. I had 5 in my basket. At 2 days weigh I left 90 € there.
If any of you got hold of it then I'm really, really unlucky
Thank you
Hello,
No chance. A priori, if it flashes, it is not dead but only no longer paired. Simply switch back to pairing mode by pressing a button for 10 to 20 seconds to reset it. Normally, it shouldn't “burn” unless you have a surge problem… The electronics are fragile, that's nothing new, but as far as we're concerned we've been using them for months without any problem. And, no, this is not advertising, we are in no way paid by Zemismart nor any brand. By the way, look at our last test, their product has taken for its grade. 🙂
Good night
I would like to know if with this connected switch ZigBee tuya you need the ZigBee hub or is it possible to operate only with Echo plus since it is equipped with a ZigBee
Hello,
As specified in the article, you need a ZigBee Tuya hub, Alexa and Echo does not yet support switches under this protocol.
Hello, yet when you add a device, it looks good tuya like there is a hue from Philips and the echo plus takes into account the Philips bulbs. Do you know what the echo plus takes into account since it is equipped with the ZigBee?
Most lights, but not switches ... For sensors, it's more random.
Hello, following your advice I opted for this switch. Everything is working correctly for the moment (I have not yet received the zigbee hub, but manual + recognized by echo plus as light: only the first gang controllable by voice)
However, a point questions me: the backlighting is reversed: backlit touch zone when the light is on and off otherwise.
=> pb installation? But given the lack of connection and that everything works correctly I do not see where the problem could be
=> switch fault?
Thank you in advance for your advice
Hello Marion,
Indeed, it is normally the reverse as you can see in the video. It is possible that the Echo bridge does not support this functionality which you can configure in Smart Life as soon as you get your bridge. If not, maybe you just reversed two wires.
Have a good day
It's a bug. The light is not controlled by the bridge at all. Or they've upgraded the switch. I don't think the pb is from a thread reversal, but see if all is well anyway.
Hello,
I installed this switch without neutral, it is connected to a chandelier with 4 LED bulbs.
No flash when the control is off, but when it is on, the LEDs flicker continuously with a small crackle.
How to solve this problem ?
Can installing a capacitor be efficient, and what type of capacitor to install?
Goods.
Hello emerout, yes this problem really looks like the ones that the installation of a capacitor makes it possible to manage. But during our tests, we had not noticed this type of malfunction. Perhaps having 4 connected bulbs can have an impact because there is also despite everything a maximum power per channel ...
In little the same as the previous post. I installed this switch in the living room to order a ceiling light with 4 led bulbs. Everything works well. No flickering. Not against a crackle in the spot's electrical system. I don't know if I can leave it like that or if it will damage the spot. Neither if u. Compensator could solve the problem ...
Too bad, you can't find it in black
Hello,
I have the same problem as Marion, namely the reverse backlighting. I have tested several different switches, they all give the same result. Is there a way to reverse this in smartlife or other?
Thank you!
Hello,
I bought a wireless switch following your test (https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000370329188.html?spm=a2g0w.12010612.8148356.49.1b6035f7H3yvED)
Firstly, I have the same problem as Marion which is reverse backlighting.
And then I ask myself the question, does this material have CE certification?
On the test video the CE logo appears fine, but not on the one I received. Maybe it's not the same ...
Thank you
Hello,
Clearly they had to modify this model a bit because we don't have this problem, and the CE certification was there.
Please feel free to contact the brand through AliExpress or their website, they usually respond quite quickly.
Good luck 😉
Hello,
I ordered a wired switch and not wireless (as I said in the first post)
I contacted customer service but he did not convince me at all… He sent me a CE certificate established by a Chinese company which certifies about twenty models. I remain convinced that if the CE logo is not on the products, it is because it has not been approved.
A question to people who have already bought this type of switch: is there a reference on the product? Is there the CE mark?
What I don't understand is that I have the same switch as the test but I don't have the same nameplate on it at all.
I think I'll drop this unsure manufacturer! In the event of a problem, the insurance companies will not miss the opportunity to kick in touch if the equipment does not meet the standard.
Hello,
So I just checked mine, there is a CE but inside only (when the cover plate is removed and the connectors are visible), not at the back.
Afterwards I don't know if this has an impact.
Did you get a response regarding the backlight?
Hi
Does this switch work with a zigbee gateway to control a led panel?
Hello,
Yes, if the gateway is Tuya / Smart Life and the panel as well. 🙂
Hello everybody
Can you tell me if this switch relays zigbee commands from other zigbee elements to the gateway (mesh network)?
Thank you
Olivier
Hi,
A priori yes since it is permanently supplied ... 🙂
Hello, apparently this is not systematic. I have a similar one powered without neutral and it does not re-emit Zigbee signals.
Olivier
Hello,
Indeed, it is not systematic. Without neutral, it is indeed possible that this is not the case.